So, in a re-read of Peace Talks, I learned that Marcone's castle was imported stone by stone from Scotland, and the protective enchantments on it are incredibly similar to those on Demonreach. Since we know for a fact that Merlin made the enchantments on Demonreach, it seems probable that he made these also, to protect a castle he really needed protected from supernatural forces. Therefore, I think that Harry is now living in Camelot.
What's on your mind?
The books never actually clarify what Mac is. My boyfriend and originally thought (before battleground) that he was a retired winter/summer fairy knight (somehow not dead after releasing the mantel). Then after he put his blood on the plaque the theory is that he was an angel.
What are everyone else's theories?
This might seem a little odd to ask, but I have a question in regards to an interaction in “Peace Talks.” When King Corb and Mab speak and Corb brings up Mab’s past there seems to be an indication that Mab was in love with Merlin. Corb even mentions questioning if Merlin would be proud of her. I could have misinterpreted, but I wanted to be sure.
This is meant to be nothing more than a collection of things I hope we end up seeing in future books, and some things I think would be cool but maybe not canon. I'm not trying to guess at any major plotlines, just put out some fun ideas.
Needless to say, there will be heavy spoilers for the entire series. Text wall incoming.
Time Travel. We've barely done anything with chronomancy in the series, despite how cool its implications can be. McCoy did mention that creating a paradox might or might not create alternate timelines, and Chekhov's Gun (which Jim Butcher is really good at adhering to, so far) might make that come up, and anyone who's read Jingo knows how well that can be done. More than anything else, though, I want to see a story where Harry has to go back in time to protect Baby Harry or Storm Front Harry from a time-traveling threat. Seeing his current perspective on his past self would be funny.
Siblings. I know what you're thinking: "But, Shell, Harry already has a sibling! Ortega's comment in Death Masks about that was completely fulfilled!" Yes, I know, but here's the thing: Ortega called Harry the youngest of Margaret LeFay's children. Youngest, to me at least, is a superlative (young, younger, youngest), implying at least 3 of a set. Harry and Thomas might have another brother, or maybe a sister this time. If said third sibling is the eldest, he/she might be evil, representing Margaret's much-vaunted darker nature. Having to go up against his own flesh and blood for the fate of the world isn't something Harry's been put through yet, so it's probably coming soon. Something on a little bit of a lighter, if less canon, note, would be if Harry had a sibling from his father's side. This wouldn't make a lot of sense, canonically ("Why wouldn't Malcolm have told Harry about another child?"), but it would be really fun to have a completely vanilla mortal walk up to Harry and say "I'm your brother, Harry." Harry having to protect a completely normal human from the supernatural world, or the knowledge thereof, is just an idea I like.
Arthur. We know that the Arthurian legend is mostly accurate, given the existence of Excalibur and Merlin, and that Merlin is currently trapped under Demonreach. As everyone knows, the end of the legend states that the Once and Future King will come again when Britain most needs him. An apocalypse of the kind Butcher has been hinting at might be exactly that time. I'm sure everyone here wants to see Arthur rising from Avalon (an area of the Summer Court, naturally), taking up Amoracchius, summoning his Knights (maybe the current Knights of the Cross, maybe resurrected/reincarnated versions of Gawain, Tristram, Percival, etc. Not Lancelot, he sucks.) and Merlin, and doing battle with an evil foe. We've also had at least one hint that he fought Outsiders in his time (Morgana's athame being infected with Nemesis) so that might be a thing.
Namshiel. This is something I don't want to see, but I want to know if it's true or not. In Small Favor, it was HEAVILY implied that Namshiel is infected with Nemesis. At the end of Battle Ground, Marcone now has Namshiel in his head, and I don't know whether or not that would mean he gets infected, too. If it does, that would be bad. Marcone as a villain would be bloody terrifying.
Bonea. At this point, I have to say it. What the heck, Jim? Bonea is just as much Harry's daughter as Maggie is, but we've only gotten like two sentences of interaction between them. I must see more, and more than that, the two of them deserve more time together. Bonea has the potential to be really interesting (a completely innocent spirit of intellect with strong ties to Harry and maybe a soul), but not if she gets absolutely no screentime.
Puck. All right, this one's a bit more out on a limb, but bear with me. For anyone out there who's read Shakespeare, A Midsummer Night's Dream, to be exact, you'll know that that's where a lot of the notions about the Summer Court of the Fae comes from. Butcher has stayed pretty close to those ideas (although he did cut out Oberon, which makes me sad), but so far we haven't seen one of the most integral characters to the story: Puck. Puck is the Jester of the Summer Court. He loves mischief and laughter, and having him show up to plague Harry because Titania is still mad about the whole thing with Aurora would be a very... Fae thing to do. "Oh, but I just sent my Jester to amuse him, as a sign of respect for his abilities. How was I supposed to know that Puck's innocent little jokes would send your Knight to his death?" One last note on that thought, without any evidence to support it whatsoever, neither Court can have a position that the other doesn't. No imbalance is allowed. So, if Summer has a Jester, Winter must also- no matter how hard to job of making Mab laugh is. Hear me out: Jack Frost. That is all I will say on the matter, except that it might end up being one of his duties to amuse the Winter Knight.
Other Mythologies. This is just a general note about the Mythos we've seen so far. There's been a lot of Norse and Greek myths come to life, as well as many Celtic beings. We've seen hints that most, if not all, legends are true in some way, so seeing more of them come to life would be epic. I, for one, would love to see Cu Chulainn ripping through legions of monsters or Momotaro cutting down Oni.
Merlin. This was probably covered by the bit I wrote about Arthur before, but I really want to know more about the history of the Council and of Demonreach, and how Merlin fits in with everything that's ever happened. I know, I don't ask for much, but you can't tell me you're not also curious.
DuMorne. Here's another limb-jump. Throughout the series, every single time DuMorne has come up, Butcher has made a specific point to remind us of how dead he is. (Talking about them finding his body, people ascertaining he died, etc.) I honestly can't tell in this situation, though, if methinks he doth protest too much is accurate. Butcher could be making this much of a point to make it that much more shocking when DuMorne makes a triumphant return, or I could just be reading way too far into an attempt to clarify that he isn't actually coming back. Thoughts?
The Black Court. In Battle Ground, Wild Bill, Yuki, and probably Chandler got killed, and thus most likely turned by members of the Black Court. If they come back, as extremely powerful wizard-vampires, it will certainly fall to Harry and Ramirez to deal with them, in what will surely be a heart-wrenching scene that I'm simultaneously dreading and looking forward to.
The Jade Court. Maybe possibly unless?
Ferrovax. I'm actually not going where you think on this one. I could easily go on a 20-page rant about how cool dragons are and how Ferrovax deserves more time in the spotlight, but instead I'll just ask one question: At Bianca's party, Lea received a gift infected with Nemesis. Ferrovax also received a gift. What was it?
All right, I think that's it. I haven't included anything that's definitely, absolutely going to happen (like more fights with Outsiders or a romance between Harry and Lara), instead trying to focus on possibilities that seemed interesting. If you have any thoughts or questions about these, or any cool ideas of your own, please comment down below! I look forward to hearing from you.
Alright folks, I’ve revved up for a long one. This thread is a list of connections with Harry Dresden smack dab in the middle. It explores relationships with enemies and allies with key details. Here we go.
Harry Dresden - wizard. Song of Margaret LeFay, grandson of Ebenezar McCoy. Possibly a descendant if the original Merlin based on speculation of McCoy’s research unto family lines. Has walkers, an archangel, and a fairy queen interested in his life.
Uriel - archangel of God. Known as the archangel who is the most mysterious of the other known archangels. Gifted Harry with soul fire as also showed Harry the truth behind his first “death”.
Mab - Present Queen if the Winter Court of Faeries. Has been after Harry for years and now has him as her Winter Knight. Intends to use Harry as her weapon, for what, it is hard to fully say.
He Who Walks Behind - a powerful foot soldier of the Old Ones. Appeared to Harry in his youth and toyed with him. Harry has escaped him twice. Was summoned by Justin DuMorne, Harry’s first teacher, with Harry at first believing HWWBehind was working for DuMorne but later realizing the opposite was true.
Major events readers are aware of:
Donald Morgan is revealed to have know about Harry’s encounter with HWWBehind and never truly thought Harry to be a monster but had to play a role to know the person Harry was for sure.
Harry first meets HWWBehind after he ran away from DuMorne. He knows he should be dead but understood the Walker toyed with/tested him.
Storm Front: Harry suspects that Victor Sells’ making the Third Eye drug should not be possible.
Fool Moon: FBI agents are given hexenwulf belts, exacting vigilante justice until they became corrupted.
Grave Peril: Leonid Kravos ghost was powerful enough that it behaved more like a demon than a disembodied human spirit. And the Leaninsidhe, Harry’s godmother, was infected by an athame presented to her by someone at Bianca St. Claire’s party.
Summer Knight: Aurora, Summer Faerie Queen to be, was infected by the Nemesis, and nearly decimated the mortal world with Lloyd Slate as an accomplice.
Blood Rites: HWWBehind is summoned to take out the enemies of a woman who felt jilted.
Proven Guilty: Wfter venturing to Arctis Tor, Harry finds evidence that the Order of the Blackened Denarians attacked Mab’s fortress.
Ghost Story: Harry, having experienced life on ther side of the spiritual veil, has seen an in-between world where some souls have not found rest to continue working. But he is sent back to find his killer. Along the way, he understands the truth behind his encounter with HWWBehind, and learning if a new enemy, the Fomor. He also learns how ghosts operate on the spiritual plane, as well as the fact that his death was a subtle manipulation by a fallen angel. Harry also learns how spirits can be destroyed or at least lose their memories (the source of their sanity and magical power if they were a magical human) but how they can saved thanks to gens likely found and used solely on the other side that can restore a ghost severely wounded.
Cold Days: Harry finally learns a name of the entity infecting supernatural beings and who was working behind the scenes of some of Harry’s biggest cases. Also HWWBefore makes an appearance, hoping to storm the island of Demonreach, where Harry has bonded with the genius loci if the island become infected its guardian, as well as watching over the prisoners of the island. Harry also learns how the island was built and the purpose behind the island besides a prison.
Peace Talks/Battle Ground: Harry learns more about what a starborn is. During the course of negotiations between the Fomor and the nations under the Unseelie Accords (a mutual agreement between nations/organizations) the Fomor were planning to attack everyone at the summit with the help of their true leader, Ethniu, the last titan and goddess of the Fomor. The ensuing attack leads to an all out battle with Chicago’s infrastructure damaged. Ethniu was imprisoned by Harry but the real mastermind, Nemesis, was revealed by Harry, who it turns it was the third Walker, HWWBeside, possessing Justine, who was responsible for Thomas being in prisoner by the Svartalves. This has also led to the possibility of secret organizations in the US government who are aware of the supernatural coming to Chicago, making things more complicated.
Question marks I still have:
Why was Nicodemus Archleone trying to originally recruit Harry?
What are the disciples of Kemmler really after with the immortality angle?
Why did the Denarians attack Arctis Tor?
Why did Donald Morgan not come to Harry when he was an adult about what he truly believed?
What is Uriel’s interest in Harry, if not for Harry being a key individual stopping what’s coming?
Why is Polonius Lartessa opposing her husband, Nicodemus?
What are the stars and stones?
What is the real purpose behind the Walkers trying to return the earth to the state it was when they ran freely, besides chaos? Are they seeking to bring the Old Ones back?
What is the White Councik holding back from Harry?
I only have two speculations and it’s about the stars and stones mentioned, a phrase Harry and others have thrown around. As seen in Ghost Story, when Harry was severely wounded by Lemurs, he would’ve lost his memories if not for Butters showing up, and Bob feeding Harry’s spirit a gem that restored him. The stars may possibly be connected to the alignment of stars and how they affect reality as the characters know it. We know that the stars aligning a certain way every 666 years leads to a starborn like Harry and Vlad Drakul. It is likely that the stars aligning may affect reality in a larger, hence why the archdragon Ferrovax was the one who kept the dimensional fabric in check when Ethniu was firing off powerful blasts with her father’s eye as the power from the eye affected the dimensional fabric. After Ethniu’s attack, the dimensional fabric may have been weakened which can result in more outsiders sneaking in and even alternate universes being connected. Needless to say, I’m looking forward to where these books lead.
Harry has more chemistry with Lara Raith than he ever had with Susan. Change my mind.
Am I the only one who was more sad when Hendricks died in Battleground than when Murphy did? I mean, I knew Murphy's fate was sealed the second she fell in love with Dresden, but Hendricks has just been an immovable wall since the first book, and I'm sad to see him go. Does this make me a psychopath?
So I’ve been re-reading the eighth novel and there was something that came to mind.
When Harry, Murphy, Charity, and Thomas go into Arctis Tor, Harry notes that the entrance has traces of sulfur and brimstone that he can smell. Our favorite P.I. Wizard notes that someone wielding Hellfire came through and intended to cause serious trouble in Mab’s domain.
This begs my theory. For anyone who has read all of the books, we know that even though Nicodemus would not necessarily intend to screw over Mab, his wife, Polonius Lartessa has made it a point of working against him in some way. Admittedly, Skin Game was so that he wouldn’t achieve his goal which meant killing their daughter. BUT!!! What if Tessa is playing a different angle that goes beyond interfering in her husband’s plans? Is it possible that Tessa sent the phages that Harry thought were summoned? And what if Tessa was helping other enemies of Dresden and his allies behind the scenes? Admittedly I could be missing something but it’s all I have to go on.
So I just finished battle grounds and I took some time to reflect, I’ve always considered myself a man of science so you may not have noticed it. In multiple books sometimes when explaining what happened he talks about magic but dumbs it down and says “physics is physics”. So this got a theory working in my head
Heat is energy. A lot of times some of the spells drains him of energy- even the ice spells because he has to fuel it himself. I think he is doing it wrong. What if being a star born gives him an ability to use the elements and him having the winter mantle would give him the ability of fueling any elemental spell with the heat from sources around him.
With this thought he would literally be freezing everything while fueling all his spells. The back hand from this, in removing the heat he would be affective at killing all the life forms around him friend or foe unless he masters his control. Put Dresden by himself in front of the outer gates with this knowledge and skill, open it up and he would take the outsiders out by himself. (Probably killing himself in the process due to him removing his own heat but what a climax it would be)
I saw this today and just had to share it. This place actually exists. Translation... the Dresden university of technology. I'm still laughing about it.
MAJOR SPOILERS!!!! If you haven’t read Battle Ground yet, DO NOT READ THIS POST!!!
So I re-read Battle Ground and a few things came to mind. One of the big things was how Ethniu’s use of the Eye of Balor had more effects than anyone may have initially realized. When Harry brings out Bob, he asks the spirit about what use of the eye is doing to reality.
Bob himself stated that Ethniu’s use of the Eye was causing a destabilization of reality as everyone knew it up to that point. Specifically, it was an over abundance of power tearing down the barrier between the Nevernever and the earthly plane. Ethniu’s goal was to bring back the dark chaotic craziness of her time.
However, it took an archdragon, Ferrovax, to contain the craziness and keep the barriers from breaking down or else if the archdragon had become involved, then nothing would stop all the nastiness of the Nevernever from spilling over.
But then as Harry found out, that was the ultimate goal of He Who Walks Beside, aka Nemesis, aka the contagion. He had pointed Ethniu toward Chicago where the Accords were taking place because he knew Ethniu’s ultimate goal was to bring back the good old days where someone like her would reign with fear and chaos.
But one thing that disturbs was something that Jim mentioned a while back. He mentioned how he always wanted to do a story where Harry comes across and AU version of himself that was evil. All things considered, with the ways Harry could’ve turned, it’s a scary thought.
But then something Bob said in Ghost Story comes to mind. He mentioned how somewhere in the wider universe/multiverse there’s Spider-Man (likely from Darkest Hours).
It begs the question of whether or not Ethniu did destabilize reality in some way. What if it caused a breakdown between parallel timelines/worlds and Harry night meet Evil Harry? And that’s just on top of whatever else could have slithered through from the Nevernever.
Have y’all ever thought that the series is just his journals? We’re just reading them as he wrote like Ebenezer told him? There’s a couple lines in a couple books that made me think it’s him telling the story as it’s already happened.
In the list of minor characters, Etienne the Enchanter is listed as a character in chapter 7, Fool Moon. In this chapter, Bob explains the several werewolf variations and refers to French practitioners of the past without mentioning names. Is Etienne described somewhere else?
Okay......I finished Battle Ground yesterday. My reaction to the entire book is HOLY CRAP! HELL’S BELLS! STARS AND STONES!!! Between the build up in Peace Talks and the ongoing climax of Battle Ground, I’m just still reeling from the information!!! It’s a lot to unpack at first but it is amazing how things came together as well as the new information that was brought to light! It is a rollercoaster ride but it was well worth the read!
I’m gonna get started and I’ll be done by Monday (maybe Tuesday)!
Holy shit I’m only on chapter 6 but this has been everything Peace Talks was supposed/wanted/expected to be... I’m geeking out on this hoping all of it is as good as the start has been.
I just peace read talks for the second time. I think that the Dresden Files is the best urban fantasy series in existence. It has incredible pacing, great character development and true believability. I especially like that Jim doesn't leave out religion, as most other fantasy authors do. If an urban fantasy is believable it has to take religion into account. It wouldn't make sense to say that humans have lived side-by-side with the supernatural for millenia, but the people most concerned with the supernatural know nothing about it.
Having said that, I think that Jim Butcher makes the same mistake with religion/faith that Gordon Dickson does in his Dorsai/Childe Cycle. He treats faith as if the belief itself - true or false - is more important than the object of the faith. He thinks that belief in Jesus is equivalent to belief in the Star Wars Jedi Force. It is fine for the author to believe this, these authors put these beliefs into the mouths of their faith holders.
Now faith-as-a-force is a defensible position, if you are an agnostic or atheist or humanist. A non-theist can take the humanist position that a human's belief is the most powerful force he can imagine. But what both Dickson and Butcher do is have their faith-holders state this position as if they believe that faith is more important than truth. Dickson and Butcher have faith holders exhalting their own faith above God, himself.
This is not how we believers think !!! and again I say !!!
Well, I will qualify that. There are some Rhema Bible Institute/Joel Osteen types out there who think that we can name it/claim it/blab it/grab it and be little gods ourselves if we just will "speak the word." But traditional Christians are rightly disgusted by this "ye will be as gods" stuff.
Traditional Christians (and especially, I would say believing Catholics) would never say that belief in The Jedi Force equivalent to belief in Christ. We would never say that Luke Skywalker is as great as Saint Paul. To say that would be to deny our own faith.
You see, faith is the complete confidence, the certainty, that Truth/Veritas/Logos is eventually available not just to us, but to everyone. Either Jesus is God's only begotten Son and he is everyone's God, or he is just another one of the many grandiose demigod heroes with bipolar disease. If I believe the latter, then I am not a Christian (by definition), if I believe the first, then I cannot simultaneously believe that the Jedi Force is equivalent to the Holy Spirit without some severe cognitive dissonance disrupting my own mental health.
Now, a believer can believe that God has not yet revealed the fullness of Truth/Veritas/Logos to anyone, even myself. I can believe that a self-proclaimed Jedi Knight is following God's path to eventual truth, but that eventual truth must be Jesus.
Now let me emphasize what I am not saying. I am not saying that "all paths lead to God" - that Jesus and Obi-Wan Kenobi are just on different paths to eventual truth. You may believe this - many intelligent people do - but that is not a Christian belief and no Christian would express it. It is a Humanist belief, a belief that human longing for truth is the most important thing and God values the longing for truth, not his Only Begotton Son. Christianity and Humanism are not compatible TO A CHRISTIAN. I want to make this clear, a humanist can believe humanism and christianity are both "relatively true" and may make a claim that he or she is a christian in the sense that they believe that Christ was on a path to truth, but a Christian believes that Christ is the ultimate truth and all other sincere paths lead only to him.
In the Dresden Files, Michael is presented as a Christian, not a humanist. And yet, Butcher puts words in Michael's mouth that no Christian would utter.
Now, I understand how both Butcher and Gordon make this mistake. They admire their faith-holders and therefore they put the author's humanist beliefs and words into the faith-holders mouths. But these words ring false and every believer cringes every time they read them.
Anyone played the Dresden Files Cooperative card game and can say yay or nay ?
Loved it! So, obviously, this is going to be a two-part miniseries; with the second part, Battle Ground, coming out in September. I love the continuity of the whole series. How many of you think the series is wrapping up for good? To me, it certainly seems like the story is coming to a head.
Why can Harry touch the nail at the end of ‘Cold Days’ or wield a steel barreled Winchester repeater if he was debilitated by being stabbed with nails? Is it an internal vs external issue?