Okay......I finished Battle Ground yesterday. My reaction to the entire book is HOLY CRAP! HELL’S BELLS! STARS AND STONES!!! Between the build up in Peace Talks and the ongoing climax of Battle Ground, I’m just still reeling from the information!!! It’s a lot to unpack at first but it is amazing how things came together as well as the new information that was brought to light! It is a rollercoaster ride but it was well worth the read!
What's on your mind?
I’m gonna get started and I’ll be done by Monday (maybe Tuesday)!
Holy shit I’m only on chapter 6 but this has been everything Peace Talks was supposed/wanted/expected to be... I’m geeking out on this hoping all of it is as good as the start has been.
I just peace read talks for the second time. I think that the Dresden Files is the best urban fantasy series in existence. It has incredible pacing, great character development and true believability. I especially like that Jim doesn't leave out religion, as most other fantasy authors do. If an urban fantasy is believable it has to take religion into account. It wouldn't make sense to say that humans have lived side-by-side with the supernatural for millenia, but the people most concerned with the supernatural know nothing about it.
Having said that, I think that Jim Butcher makes the same mistake with religion/faith that Gordon Dickson does in his Dorsai/Childe Cycle. He treats faith as if the belief itself - true or false - is more important than the object of the faith. He thinks that belief in Jesus is equivalent to belief in the Star Wars Jedi Force. It is fine for the author to believe this, these authors put these beliefs into the mouths of their faith holders.
Now faith-as-a-force is a defensible position, if you are an agnostic or atheist or humanist. A non-theist can take the humanist position that a human's belief is the most powerful force he can imagine. But what both Dickson and Butcher do is have their faith-holders state this position as if they believe that faith is more important than truth. Dickson and Butcher have faith holders exhalting their own faith above God, himself.
This is not how we believers think !!! and again I say !!!
Well, I will qualify that. There are some Rhema Bible Institute/Joel Osteen types out there who think that we can name it/claim it/blab it/grab it and be little gods ourselves if we just will "speak the word." But traditional Christians are rightly disgusted by this "ye will be as gods" stuff.
Traditional Christians (and especially, I would say believing Catholics) would never say that belief in The Jedi Force equivalent to belief in Christ. We would never say that Luke Skywalker is as great as Saint Paul. To say that would be to deny our own faith.
You see, faith is the complete confidence, the certainty, that Truth/Veritas/Logos is eventually available not just to us, but to everyone. Either Jesus is God's only begotten Son and he is everyone's God, or he is just another one of the many grandiose demigod heroes with bipolar disease. If I believe the latter, then I am not a Christian (by definition), if I believe the first, then I cannot simultaneously believe that the Jedi Force is equivalent to the Holy Spirit without some severe cognitive dissonance disrupting my own mental health.
Now, a believer can believe that God has not yet revealed the fullness of Truth/Veritas/Logos to anyone, even myself. I can believe that a self-proclaimed Jedi Knight is following God's path to eventual truth, but that eventual truth must be Jesus.
Now let me emphasize what I am not saying. I am not saying that "all paths lead to God" - that Jesus and Obi-Wan Kenobi are just on different paths to eventual truth. You may believe this - many intelligent people do - but that is not a Christian belief and no Christian would express it. It is a Humanist belief, a belief that human longing for truth is the most important thing and God values the longing for truth, not his Only Begotton Son. Christianity and Humanism are not compatible TO A CHRISTIAN. I want to make this clear, a humanist can believe humanism and christianity are both "relatively true" and may make a claim that he or she is a christian in the sense that they believe that Christ was on a path to truth, but a Christian believes that Christ is the ultimate truth and all other sincere paths lead only to him.
In the Dresden Files, Michael is presented as a Christian, not a humanist. And yet, Butcher puts words in Michael's mouth that no Christian would utter.
Now, I understand how both Butcher and Gordon make this mistake. They admire their faith-holders and therefore they put the author's humanist beliefs and words into the faith-holders mouths. But these words ring false and every believer cringes every time they read them.
Anyone played the Dresden Files Cooperative card game and can say yay or nay ?
Loved it! So, obviously, this is going to be a two-part miniseries; with the second part, Battle Ground, coming out in September. I love the continuity of the whole series. How many of you think the series is wrapping up for good? To me, it certainly seems like the story is coming to a head.
Why can Harry touch the nail at the end of ‘Cold Days’ or wield a steel barreled Winchester repeater if he was debilitated by being stabbed with nails? Is it an internal vs external issue?
In ‘Cold Days’, the magic circle at the top of Demonreach keeps out anything not of the island. When Dresden goes thru it, his clothes are destroyed but later it is mentioned that his gauze bandage is this on his leg. Shouldn't it have been destroyed as well?
I've been reading summer knight and was just wondering what your guy's opinion is on how there are so many different events going on throughout the books but they all tie in to each other in the end. I personally love it. (Please no spoilers for books the come after summer knight)
Out of curiosity what are the celebrity faces you’ve put to Dresden characters? IMO, there are really only 2 actors who I’ve always pictured clearly every time they’re mentioned... Idris Elba as Donald Morgan and Eric Roberts as John Malcone (he played Marone in Dark Knight). But who have you always pictured as your Dresden? Or Murphy? Or Thomas? Or Rag Lady???
I just finished this short and realised that....<SPOILERS FROM THIS POINT ON>>>>>
That Will and Georgia have a child..?! Not mentioned at all in Ghost Story or Cold Days or Skin Game not even as a throw away line? did I miss it somewhere? what gender? etc? surely its mentioned somewhere!:-)
In White Night, when Dresden first meets Abby, the prescient member of Ordo Lebes, Abby reacts to Dresden and Murphy's introductions before they speak. Since we only hear Abby's half of the conversation we have to infer what Dresden and Murphy would have said based on how Abby responds to their unuttered dialogue:
"Pleased to meet you, Abby," I said quietly, and extended my hand, relaxed, palm down, to the little Yorkie. The dog sniffed at my hand, quivering with eagerness as he did, and his tail started wagging. "Heya, little dog."
"Toto," Abby said, and before I could respond said, "Exactly, a classic. If it isn't broken, why fix it?"
I can infer that Dresden was about to ask, "What is the dog's name?" He would then have followed up with, "Did you name him after the dog from The Wizard of Oz?" But I can only guess what Dresden might have said to prompt Abby to say, "If it isn't broken, why fix it?"
Given that Dresden is a smart aleck at times, I assume it would have been something witty. However, the only joke I can think of where the punch line deals with fixing things that deal with dogs would be if Dresden were to ask, "Is the dog neutered?" However, that would be an odd question to ask, and Dresden would be acting as the straight man with Abby delivering the punch line. Dresden is usually the one dropping the jokes, so that doesn't quite fit.
Has anyone figured out what Dresden might have said that would in turn have prompted Abby to say, "If it isn't broken, why fix it?"
They have been mentioned in passing in a couple novels as being very secretive, exclusively residing in Aisa, but that’s about it. Do they have powers, like the other courts, and if so, what are they? Does anyone know what their appearance is like, say, rotting flesh like Black Court, or beautiful like White Court? And do you think they will be in Peace Talks?
I'm 3 minutes and 39 seconds in. Sigh....it's so different. Should I give it my time of forgot it? I've read the books, and started on the graphic novels. Am I just being a book snob?
There isn’t a lot of supporting evidence other than that he seemed to know the outsiders and they knew him. They also said “you chose your side” meaning he could have been with the outsiders at one point. And lastly when Murh asked him what he was he said “I’m out” which could be outsider.
Ive bought about five books and thinking I might rather library any more. They can be a bit spotty. I know how subjective this is... Buuuuutttttt.... 16 (17?) books, respect and what not, they cant (likely) ALL be must reads
I don't know how to add spoiler tags. May be light spoilers from me through Proven Guilty
I binged the first 3, loved Summer Knight...but I started to slow pretty dramatically. Just finished Proven Guilty, few questions about the series:
1. Does he ever stop taking the piss from EVERYONE? Fewer characters have NOT hit him, and of the many that have it was undeserved. Looking at you Murphy/ Charity (Who seems like Murphy with kids). I hate how the council treats him. I hate how it never seems like he sticks up for himself. I understand there's confliction with his past...its been what, 2+ decades? How do these idiots ("Merlin" and Morgan) not know even a fraction of what he's accomplished? Particularly after SK? Really frustrating.
...hmm thats primarily it I think. I sort of dislike how it seems like he takes a backseat a bit more than I would prefer, its basically the Harry Dresden team. But authors discretion.